Thursday, June 29
To drink or not to drink?
If you're in the SBC, you don't have the luxury of deciding.

This is old news by about two weeks, but the Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution on "Alcohol Use in America", effectively opposing anything related to alcohol "use"--manufacture, advertising, distribution or consumption. The topic has made great blog fodder, but 1) I haven't read anything about it from the Blogging Chicks I've visited and 2) as a (very happy) member of a SBC church, I haven't heard a word about it from members or leaders in our church. Nothing...notta.

The legalism of the resolution is what bothers me, I guess. It sooo reminds me of Derek Webb's "A New Law" from his Mockingbird cd:

Don't teach me about politics and government, just tell me who to vote for
Don't teach me about truth and beauty, just label my music
Don't teach me how to live like a free man, just give me a new law
(pre-chorus) I don't wanna know if the answers aren't easy
so just bring it down from the mountain to me
(chorus) I want a new law/I want a new law/gimme that new law
Don't teach me about moderation and liberty, I prefer a shot of grape juice
Don't teach me about loving my enemies
Don't teach me how to listen to the Spirit
Just give me a new law

To transfer the essence of the resolution to other sins, for gluttony this would not mean dieting or restraint in eating, it would mean a permanent fast; for the sexually immoral, this would not mean restricting activity to your spouse, it would mean abstinence; for those prone to gossip, it would mean a vow of silence, not thinking before you speak and not repeating, well, gossip.

I think a few word changes would have made the resolution in keeping with scripture; as it stands, it seems contradictory. This is a comprehensive listing of references to alcohol found in the Bible. This is a pretty thorough analysis of them. I picked up the links from reader comments found SOMEWHERE...I read so many, I lost track.

Great conversation about the subject, and if you take time to click the links, don't stop at the blogs--read the comments. As for me, I think I'd like to hang with Jesus at the dinner table. Locusts and honey don't hold a candle to a fine pinot noir ;).

Tony (click his associated links, too), Justin, Steve, Greg, and one a bit different, Mike.

Cheers! (she says with a room temperature bottle of Aquafina in hand ;)

  Into the pensieve on Thursday, June 29, 2006
  Your thoughts, please (10)

At July 02, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very interesting topic. In fact, I sit here wondering how to respond. I guess coming from an alcoholic's point of view, is it the fact that someone is forbidding it, that it bothers you? Or is it the wordage of how it is forbidden. And while I don't feel that alcohol consumption is, by itself, a bad thing and should be done in moderation; I also feel that for the millions out there like me who can't have just "one", maybe a little religous guidance wouldn't be so bad. Because for some, it takes having a higher authority (not God I am referring to, but religious leaders) tell them not to do something in order to regain their control.

Then again, this is really just my opinion isn't it? :)

Found you via Blogging Chicks!!

At July 02, 2006, Blogger JenLo said...

I read your post earlier this week (I'm here from BChicks today) but I hadn't heard about the decision. I'm from a Nazarene church, and our official stance is one of teetotaling as well, but I find that in individual lives, it really needs to be a personal thing.

At July 02, 2006, Blogger Malissa said...

Hadn't heard about this. I'm not sure what to think. I don't drink alcohol ever for any reason. So....


Visiting from the Blogging Chicks

At July 05, 2006, Blogger Tracey said...

Hi. Found you at Blogging Chicks.

I'm not of the Baptist denomination. I currently attend a Foursquare congregation, but no one is required to become a member.

I decided a long time ago that I didn't want to affiliate myself solely with one denomination and like you, I see scripture talking about wine in a not so strict manner.

Occasionally my husband and I may have a glass of wine and we are fortunate that neither of us suffer from alcoholism.

My stance is that if one is struggling with alcohol (as with any other issue) that that person must deal with it accordingly, but for a denomination to forbid it is rather silly.

At July 10, 2006, Blogger Robin said...

Hey Chicks...thanks for checkin' in.

Queen never occurred when I wrote this, how someone recovering from addiction might feel about the subject. To answer your question in a nutshell, yes, my problem with the resolution (well, among several issues, beginning with their "need" to tell their constituents what to do...) is the word "use". I think "overuse" or "abuse" would've been more appropriate if they were compelled to address the issue.

Jenlo and Malissa, always good to see ya here, and Tracey, welcome! Hope to see you again :).

At July 16, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's confirmed yet again...definitely hellbound!! hee hee hee

At July 16, 2006, Blogger Robin said...'re BAAA-CCCK! Miss you girlieQ, you looked beautiful today (musta been the sun & surf).

Haven't I already had three strikes? :D

At October 12, 2006, Blogger Malissa said...

aha it WAS you;)

At October 13, 2006, Blogger Pamela said...

I need to go on a fast from blogging.
or blog faster....
It is easy for people like me to not drink Don't enjoy it, excaserbates my irritable bowel, prefer getting my calories from chocolate.
You are correct about those resolutions . . . . .
Love your neighbor as yourself. Share your wine.
If your neighbor is an alcoholc, drink water with him

At July 12, 2007, Blogger ~michelle pendergrass said...

Somehow I missed this conversation.

Guess I'm a bad SBC girl. It really bothers me the way they choose one sin. Hey, let's ignore the pride. Yeah. And the anger. Yep, and don't talk about those church picnics--how can we have a good ole Baptist carry in with fat free rice cakes and hummus?

The more legalistic things get, the more I back away.


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